A short while ago I read this shocking and disturbing article about bird deaths from wind farms on climaterealists.com. I immediately asked myself: "Is that really true?" I wanted to know the right answer to this question, whether or not I liked it. If we want to create a peace legacy for future generations, to safeguard the planet for both humans and our non-human friends, we need to know the truth.
The issue is this: the story above claims that millions of birds are killed by wind farms. But a "green" friend I mentioned this to told me that this is absurd: she had studied wind farms in depth, she had personally visited them, and they were the safest, most wildlife-friendly places imaginable; the blades rotate so sedately nothing could possibly be killed by them; and there wasn't a dead or injured bird to be found anywhere around about. She went so far as to wonder if the writers of the above article weren't simply lying through their teeth.
The paradox I was struggling with was this: my green friend is without doubt one of the most truthful people I know. I did not doubt her account for a second. Equally, it seemed impossible that anyone could write such a credible-sounding article as the one linked above. Two truthful sources in direct contradiction - I needed facts that no one could dispute, because if lies are involved (and who won't at least wonder about the possibility?), it isn't good enough to merely discover the truth; I also needed it in a form that would allow anyone to prove it for themselves.So here's what I did.
First, I guessed the answer to the question. Then, I went to authoritative web sites that have a vested interest in my guess being wrong. Why? If my guess is wrong, such sites will have the evidence to show it. I shouldn't uncritically accept such data, but on the other hand, any data they provide that vindicates my guess will be the most credible I have within my power to obtain. Short of actually mounting a massive raw-data investigation of my own (visit wind farms, search for birds, and so on - which I can't afford to do), I cannot be more certain. And since I want to help you to answer the question for yourself as well, only data from an authoritative source will help you.
I could have guessed either way, but I guessed that wind farms do indeed kill lots of birds. Why? Firstly, the link above gives lots of bare facts that can be checked (such as a death toll of over a million per year in Germany alone), whereas my friend's assertions about not finding dead birds is much harder to directly investigate. But the method is sound either way. If the guess is wrong, I'll find evidence of it, then I can reverse my guess and go looking the other direction.
So I started at the European Environment Agency. If they can't be counted as authoritative, enthusiastic supporters of wind farms, I don't know who can. And Lo! I found an official report on their website: "Europe's onshore and offshore wind energy potential". On page 71 there is an appendix about animal deaths.
The first thing I think genuine wildlife and environment lovers need to note about this is the title they give to the section: "Introduction to environmental and social constraints". Why? Well I don't know about you, but animals suffering and dying is not my idea of a "constraint". It is a tragedy. In large numbers or small.
Moving on then. After some not-unexpected patter about saving the planet, the opening paragraph gives us: "The challenge is thus to meet the wind energy targets in a way that minimises the negative impact on biodiversity."
It seems that my and the EEA's attitudes to animal suffering are worlds apart. I don't need (and again, I don't speak for others) a species to be in danger or "biodiversity" to be threatened to be seriously disturbed by animal suffering. And I want to see it discussed openly, not hidden underneath euphemisms like "negative impact". If you love animals, I recommend you download this report and read this section in its entirety. My take: one of the most cruel-hearted, icy, disengaged attitudes towards animals I have seen. I don't entirely blame the writers, because I would hazard a guess that they, like most bureaucrats, are utilitarians (believing in the greatest good for the greatest number). Such a detached view of the suffering of sentient beings almost follows by cold hard logic from this ethic, and this utilitarian 'emotional death' is one of the key reasons I find that the Principle of Goodness offers a more spiritual and caring way to approach these difficult questions.
Anyway, apologies for spending time critiquing the EEA's writing style, but this is a site, above all, on building a peace legacy for our descendants. A pretty sorry legacy it will be, IMHO, if the frigid attitude of the EEA is the one we teach our children.
So let's get down to it. I'll investigate these specific claims:
- My green friend said not a bird corpse was to be found on her visit to the wind farm, but the article says "Bernd Koop, based on monitoring studies conducted in Holland by Winkelman, estimated there would be 60,000 to 100,000 bird collisions per 1,000 megawatt installed capacity in his country."
- My friend said the blades spin ever so slowly that they could not possibly take a bird by surprise and hit it, but the article above says they spin at "over 200 miles per hour";
Why am I contrasting my friend's statements with the contrary allegations in this way? Because I have one of those sneaky suspicions that both my friend and the shocking accusations against wind farms will be correct. And I think I know why. So let's start with that EEA report:
Collision risk. Birds and bats may collide with rotors, towers and nacelles or with associated structures such as cables and meteorological masts. There is also evidence of birds being hit by the wake behind the sweeping rotor blades (Winkelman, 1992). With some notable exceptions the majority of studies have recorded relatively low levels of collision mortality but most were based only on finding corpses — a method that may underestimate mortality
Hmmm. Let's see what "relatively low" means to the EEA:
... the history of modern wind turbines is short and only a single study has been sufficiently comprehensive and long-lasting to produce a thorough analysis of population impacts. This is the study of the golden eagle in the Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area in the Coast Range Mountains of California. Here, wind energy development began in the 1970s and when the number of wind turbines peaked in 1993, 7 300 turbines were operational within an area of about 150 km2 . An estimated 35 000–100 000 birds, 1 500–2 300 of them golden eagles, have been killed by collision here during the past two decades ... the golden eagle population in the Altamont region is declining and that at least part of this decline is due to wind farm mortality ...
As we have been told these studies are probably underestimating, I don't think it can be unreasonable to use, say, 73,000, as an estimate of bird deaths from this one wind farm. That's 10 per turbine in twenty years, or 0.5 per turbine per year.
Now I think it is becoming clear how my green friend and the wind farm critics can both be telling the truth. A bird killed by a turbine will likely be scavenged within a day or two. If you pay a single visit to a wind farm, you'll have to actually walk up to the bases of about 200 turbines to get around a fifty-fifty chance of seeing one dead bird (assuming you don't overlook it in the grass, or it didn't walk away injured and in great pain to die a slow death under cover somewhere).
The problem here is the incredibly low power density of wind farms. A single coal-fired plant will use far less land, produce more power, cost less, and last three times longer. So the entire caboodle needed to power a large city from wind occupies a huge tract of land and needs vast numbers of turbines. The consequence is that a very low probability of disaster for one turbine results in a massive total carnage. Also, so many turbines are needed that costs are prohibitive to install bird warning devices on each and every one.
Looking further in the EEA report, we find higher estimates for bird deaths:
At a few wind farms fatality rates of more than 50 birds per turbine were recorded annually. High-risk farms were either placed on mountain ridges, where chiefly raptors were killed, or near wetlands, where gulls were the main victims.
So the death rate is very much higher where wind farms are the most useful? It's getting worse and worse. But let's take that 50 per turbine figure: That still means a bird is killed by a single turbine only every seven days or so. Anyone visiting a wind farm is unlikely to ever see a dead bird, despite what any real lover of our nonhuman friends must surely consider an horrific death toll. Elsewhere the report tells us various other estimates for bird collisions; it tells us the shocking finding that bat deaths (between 0 and 50 per turbine per year) probably outnumber bird deaths - yet surely there are far more birds than bats? These figures, IMHO, represent shame on the human race for producing such a monstrous killing system - and being so very proud of it. Incidentally the report also tells us other unexpected dangers from these systems, such as damage to the hearing of dolphins and seals.
Let's pursue the total deaths question. Obviously there is no real data available to answer this accurately, but in light of the above, I think it must surely be conservative to use twenty bird+bat deaths per turbine per year. So how many turbines are there? Surprisingly, this is a hard question to find an answer for on the web. But we can make an estimate. On page 5, the report tells us "At the end of 2008, there were 65 GW of wind power capacity installed in the EU." Page 15 tells us that current average turbine power is "1—1.5MW". (Don't they know the correct answer?) Anyway, let's take 1.25MW as the average across the EU. That gives us something like 52,000 turbines. At 20 deaths each, that gives us 1,040,000 deaths per year for the EU. We are told on page 8 that current wind energy represents 3.7% of total energy use, and it is projected to expand to 12%. Then the death rate will be over 3.3 million (and this estimate could easily be many times too small, but is very unlikely to be too large).
I think it is easy to see how a sincere and caring investigator visiting a wind farm will not notice any animal deaths, whilst the hidden death toll is horrific. But why do these killing machines look so safe? What about the blade speed? Remember, my green friend says they spin ever so slowly, certainly far slower than a bird, and so they just can't do any damage. The article about bird deaths, however, said the ends of the blades move at 200 miles/hour (and yes, that can definitely kill any bird on the planet). To answer this question I'll go to the web site of a wind turbine supplier, GE Energy.
According to their specs, a typical wind turbine (picking an average-looking one from the list here) has a diameter of 77m (this is in the range given in the EEA report for current turbines) and a maximum speed of 20.4 rpm. This means the circumference is pi times the diameter, or 241.9m. The outer edge of the blade will sweep out this distance 20.4 times per minute, or 1,224 times per hour, covering a distance of 296km/hour, or 183 miles/hour. That is the result for the very first turbine I investigated. I think we can say that blade speeds of approximately 200 miles/hour are confirmed from an authoritative source. So how can a caring and honest observer fail to see this vicious killer speed?
Here's what I think is going on. It so happens I have had a long-standing interest in model railways, and at times I have had models in what is called OO gauge - 4mm model length for each real-life foot - or 1 in 76. I have at times calculated the speed I should run a train to make it go at a scale 80 miles per hour. 80 miles is 128 kilometres, which is, scaled 1:76, about 46 centimetres per second. Now 80 mph is fast, but a model train running at 46 centimetres/second seems to be dawdling. Onlookers always say "Speed it up! Make it go at a realistic speed!"
Why the complaint? Because, surprisingly, to get similar dynamic effects from a model as from the full-scale original, speeds do not scale in proportion to the lengths. There is a nice description of this effect here. One estimate of the correct way to scale speeds is to divide by the square root of the scale proportion rather than by the proportion itself. In the model railway case, this would give a speed of about 4 metres per second. Now that looks fast! And so is 80mph.
What is this to do with wind turbines? I think the problem comes when we see large objects from a distance. An 80-metre wind turbine way over there on that hill "looks like" a model with a size of maybe six inches. Now that turbine is rotating at 20 revs per minute, or one rev per three seconds. Now hold out your hand and sweep out a six-inch circle, taking three seconds to do so. Easy, isn't it? Nice and slow, even lazy going. Another time I noticed this effect was when I took a parachute jump. From way up there, the world looks slow, the cars on the highway look like slow-moving toys, the descent looks dead easy, but just as the ground approaches, everything speeds up and you suddenly realise just how fast everything really is going. But from a distance, you just can't "get the feeling" for it.
So that's my guess: I think wind farms look safe because our minds unconsciously scale them using a dynamically incorrect formula: we scale them in proportion to their linear scales (in fact we have no choice, that's what we are seeing with our eyes), but a square root scale would be more accurate. The result is we just don't 'see' how violent and deadly they are - one 300km/h blade per second slicing through the air. It is a wonder that far more birds aren't being killed.
But getting back to my green friend again, she has a small wind turbine on her roof, and tells me it provides good backup power for her solar generators when they go offline during the evening, but that wind, alone, doesn't provide full power for their home. Unlike the big turbines, hers, about a metre in diameter, makes a loud buzz as it turns, much like a noisy desk fan. That will guarentee that it never kills a bird - they'll hear it long before they see it. BTW, I think one other important point arises here: wind power may very well be useful and safe on a small-scale 'local' level, whilst being a dangerous monstrosity on a large scale. I imagine a small turbine like hers, with a circular rim to provide an obvious outline for flying animals, and quieter blades, installed on each home: no danger to wildlife, and relief for the power grid.







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well its nice to see that you are not an aginner. where do you think the solution is. power is already costly and wind is only a minor solution in my book. i hate to see wildlife wasted when an alternative might be available. with nevada being taken off the table as a repository for nuclear waste (one of our safest and also most controversial)where do we go for more affordable and socalled environmentally friendly power. as a kid i remember the wind mill powered battery systems on west texas farms before the coops replaced them with the real deal. openly voiced concerns for wildlife doesn't really serve the situation well without presenting an alternative. you back handedly make a point for more coal AND i would think nuclear as i do not believe the go it alone individual systems will pass the muster of overly regulated residential areas where the demand for power is greatest. most cities thru building codes prevent a practical wind turbine on a residence and many home owners associations likewise prevent solar and wind from becoming a reality in neighborhoods that folks residing in have the most wherewithall to try these units out. i don't have the answer and your complaint about dead avian friends doesn't present one either.
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Hi Howell, I thought your comments were extremely insightful and helpful, so I have taken the opportunity to write a full blog post about them here. Many thanks!
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Well this is where I may get myself into trouble here.
First let me say that this dilemma has been playing out for quite some time in the SF Bay Area where I live. There is a major wind farm along the ridge line of the Altamont Pass in Livermore California whose blades are blamed for raptor deaths. Having not scoured the area under the turbines for feathery lumps of former hawks I cannot speak to the accuracy of these complaints. Yet, even though I am a lover of birds AND a hunter of some of them, I have come to believe over the years that our avian friends (or prey) have an uncanny adaptive ability in that they demonstrate in only a few generations a Darwinian adaptation to almost any danger, be it unintentional or carefully and scientifically designed. Let me explain.
I am a duck hunter. Every few years a new and improved gadget comes onto the market to aid us waterfowlers, and give us an edge in our annual sojourn into the remote marshes to match wits with a bird whose eyesight and hearing will render harsh and humiliating judgement on all but the most convincing spread of decoys and duck calls.
Over the decades I have observed that by the time the annual migration of wild ducks reaches far enough south to enter our local marshes, many of the ducks have already seen the latest and greatest motion decoys and heard the fanciest duck calls. Only those birds who have not noticed that these stimuli are consistently associated with loud bangs and stinging steel shot in the tail will still be fooled. Not surprisingly, these unfortunate slow learners are swiftly culled from the migrating population and end up on our dinner plates. Those who have learned, or whose eyesight, hearing and decision making are keen, will decide, after a flyover at an altitude just beyond shotgun range, that something is amiss and flare off to another pond. They are the parents of next years nesting season.
Every year the Fish and Game Department comes out with new revised regulations, including updated regulations pertaining to what sorts of technological devices may be used to hunt ducks, and when during the season it is permitted, if at all. Being a governmental body, and therefore requiring due diligence and deliberative processes in the quest for wise laws, the DFG will usually prohibit or strictly limit these sorts of battery operated wing-flapping decoys a few years after they are available to hunters. By then, ironically, natural selection has already rendered them fairly useless.
While ducks may be able to spot an uncovered shiny human face at 200 yards or streak into and out of a marsh at 60 mph, turning on a dime and embarrassing even the most skilled shooter, their eyesight and hearing cannot compare to a Marsh Hawk or a Red Tail Hawk, who can spot a gray-brown mouse from higher up. Raptors are not accustomed to being on guard against danger. They ARE the danger. Being the top of the food chain has not lent itself to being wary and on guard while flying. Now that has changed.
While the ducks eliminated from the gene pool are delicately smoked and served with polenta and a red wine reduction sauce at the McNamara dinner table, the raptors eliminated by spinning blades are left unceremoniously on the ground for horrified raptor lovers to see and grieve. Yet the forces of natural selection in both cases perform the same crucial service, despite our personal agony at the initial cost to the beautiful soaring birds we love to see in the sky. For every raptor struck down by a spinning wind turbine, there is another flying nearby who saw and avoided it, and thought to himself "Jeez!! Didn't Harry see those big things spinning around? What an idiot. I think now that he is dead, I will go bang his wife."
Being wise and deliberative humans, we may now consider whether we should suspend a new viable alternative energy industry because of the initial grief associated with the natural selection now well underway vis-a-vis raptors. I fear all this will do is waste valuable renewable energy, and stifle the incentive for similar investment in alternative energies by those afraid of sudden unforeseeable and protestable results.
It will also deny those birds who can hear the blades slicing through the air the opportunity to bang the wives of their deaf and dead colleagues; to create the next generation of raptors able to live in harmony with the clean energy of the future.
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Hi Patrick, I suspect you may have a different definition of loving birds than I do, but putting that aside, I don't think you have made your case.
Ducks have evolved with predators: snakes, raptors, humans, and so on. They need to learn new tricks to keep ahead of the game, so it is quite believable that they learn new deceptions by human hunters and keep out of their way. But a wind turbine moving at 200mph is not related at all to any of the kinds of dangers they have faced during their evolution. As my article points out, even educated human beings who are investigating the turbines specifically with their dangers in mind can be completely deceived (for reasons I explain). If even humans, with senses somewhat similar to those of birds (eyes, ears, etc.) and in addition knowledge of the way the new machine operates, cannot see the danger, there is no reason to think that birds will be able to recognise it.
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I see the answer as being somewhere between that put by Ron and Patrick. In the area where wind turbines are prevalent the bird life will either be wiped out or they will *learn* by going elsewhere because, as Ron said, you can't "adapt" to something moving at 200mph, you just have to get out of the bloody way permanently and that means relocate.
So what we will end up with is significant damage to local ecosystems (how long before declining raptor numbers lead to an explosion of "protected" pockets of rodents?) and as the percentage of energy delivery from wind farms increases these damaged ecosystems will get larger and larger.
So once again we are in the business of stuffing up the planet for our own ends, but this time we are trying to convince ourselves it is for the good of the planet while doing it.
We really do need to get over ourselves!
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Ron may be correct that natural selection and evolution do not have the time available to adapt to this particular threat. No doubt that an altered environment causes changes in the flora and fauna, triggering natural selection, adaptation or migration.
There's a difference between adaptive learning and natural selection. Super strains of bacteria that thrive in the presence of antibiotics are not the result of bacterial learning. It is that antibiotics selectively kill off only those bacteria that are naturally susceptible to the medicine, leaving only the pre-existing resistant bugs to reproduce. Nobody grieves for the dead bacteria, but we acknowledge the process by which they evolve. Adaptive learning occurs only in those creatures--great and small--predisposed and able.
My duck example (sorry Ron) was meant to illustrate that those birds ALREADY clever enough, farsighted enough and endowed with audiophile grade pitch receptors become the successful breed stock in the Canadian breeding ponds each spring, rendering us human marsh dwellers increasingly humbled rather quickly (1-3 years) in evolutionary terms. It's not that the ducks learned. Rather, the learned ducks lived to breed.
In the particular example of the Altamont Pass wind farm, it may very well be that John is right. Some of the soaring hawks like the Red Tail will undergo this "adapt or migrate" period. It also may be that the fast and low flyers like the sparrow hawks will step in and take up the slack in the rodent control department. The diminished Red Tails and increased rodents may also cause the local populations of Gopher Snakes and Rattlesnakes to rebound, since they are both competitors with, AND the prey of Red Tail Hawks.
It would be interesting were it possible to tag and track a large representative population of raptors in the area surrounding wind turbines to see what the real harm is. If all tagged birds died or starved or migrated within a reasonably expected time frame, that would pretty much answer the question. But what if some were killed and some thrived... indefinitely? Could it be that some of these birds, which are able to see the twitching whiskers of a rabbit a mile away, can also multi task enough to notice and avoid blades the length of two city buses spinning in their territory? We will never know unless the actual research is done. What previously unused dormant traits await utilization, to provide selective dominance to the birds so blessed? Perhaps we will never know.
Without knowing, we are left with our beliefs. Generally, I believe that our world is an amazing and self regulating collection of systems. Changes occur within many ecosystems on a continuing and varied pace. While the causes of change within the natural world are varied, and not always from human activity, many clearly are. I will leave it to wiser and more thoughtful people than I to determine if anything mankind does may be termed "natural."
I do notice that occasionally the presumption of humankind's influence on global systems (such as in the climate hyperbole) is vastly overstated to the point of near arrogance. In such cases, I could not agree more with John Thorpe that we really do need to get over ourselves.
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Hi John, Patrick,
John, Good point about the rodents etc. We already have rodent plagues from time to time and perhaps this sort of stuff will get worse. Here is Australia, rabbits, etc. have no significant predators except raptors.
Patrick, You are quite right, of course, about the difference between adaptation and selection. It raises a few thoughts. It may be that with something so unprecedented as 200mph blades, all members of a species will be unable to recognise the problem, and thus humans will have simply installed an extermination system for those species.
But if they do act as a selector (some being inately able to spot the danger), there is no reason to believe that those so selected will be neutrally selected for other qualities. Maybe the extra movement and speed judgement means a loss of other mental or physical qualities in the birds so selected for. The magpie family we have known for nine years (as told on wingedhearts.org) demonstrate that birds are not 'just birds'. Our Maggie, we first met as a starving baby that had fallen out of the nest. He made a courageous judgement of insight in trusting our part-alsatian dogs (who could have simply eaten him), following them home, and eating the marrow from their bones to stay alive. He eventually became a magpie king, and chose a remarkable bird, Vicky, for his mate. Together they have taught us so much about magpie society that I have not seen described anywhere else. Now Maggie has died, Vicky has found a mate with exceptional intelligence, who just yesterday told me that there was an eagle above us by doing an eagle imitation for me. I'll be putting the photo up on wingedhearts soon. The thing is, not all magpies are like this. Our other magpie king, Fatty, was a kindly soul but quite unimaginative. His son Billy thinks of nothing much except food - or did, until he fell in love with a nice but conventional bird who follows the rules of polite magpie society. These things might seem 'unimportant' to humans, but I would say the loss is theirs if they think so. But my point is that birds in a species are far from interchangeable units.
What really amazes me is that so many people who imagine they are being gentle on the earth they tread are in fact adopting incredibly callous behaviours towards the very same wildlife they claim to be concerned about. Human concerns (such as being against 'capitalist greed') in fact mould their behaviour much more than any concern for the non-human inhabitants of the planet.
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I have been studying bird mortality at windfarms for 6 years. This is my most-read article on the subject :
www.iberica2000.org/Es/Articulo.asp?Id=1875
other articles here :
www.iberica2000.org/Es/Articulo.asp?Id=1228
Mark Duchamp
President, Save the Eagles International
save.the.eagles@gmail.com
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Hi Mark,
Thank you so much for alerting us to your studies. Re Altamont Pass, I found this observation particularly significant:
This is an urgent message that simply must be put out to the public. I greatly applaud your efforts to help. I also notice on your site that you have not been deceived by the global warming hoax.
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I noticed this story that seems to back up the figures:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020370660457437654330839904...
Excerpt:
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you know this is all interesting and everything but these reports you found may not be correct. the best solution is to spend a certain amount of time to actually do our own investigation about wind farms killing birds to know what the true acount is.
now i understand that this would be a hard thing to do because of the cost of money. but this may be te only wy to solve the problem
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Hi Steven. I don't think that doing our own research for every question to which we need the answer is a practical way to live life. That is why I took the evidence from an official government site and the actual manufacturer of wind turbines - both of whom have a self-interested reason for NOT making the figures as large as the ones they supply. If you go to buy a used car and the salesman says it has some engine trouble, you can pretty well be certain that it does have engine trouble because he gets a commission from selling you the car, so he isn't going to make up problems that are not real. Likewise the European Environment Agency only justifies its existence through solving environmental problems, and wind farms are one of their "solutions". They aren't going to make up nonexistent problems. Also these same figures can be found in many other places. I don't think it is at all credible that the truth is less severe than the figures from these sources admit.
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Recently, our lord and savior Al Gore appeared on Conan O'Brien's Late Show here in the U.S. This is the show where he claimed that geothermal energy was viable on a large scale because the earth's core was "millions of degrees" hot. Of course it was later pointed out that this would make the earth hotter than most stars.
In the same show, when discussing wind energy, O'Brien brought up the concerns about bird strikes and the problem they posed for conservationists and bird lovers. Gore dismissed these concerns by citing statistics(and showing a bar graph)about the number of birds killed annually by other causes, including house cats. Wind farms were, of course, shown to be low on the bird slaughter scale by comparison.
Now it must have been clairvoyance on Big Al's part to have been so "prepared" for the host's question. But, what fascinates me is how skillful and tenacious these researchers must have been to accurately gauge the frequency of house cat attacks on birds. I keep imagining these intrepid scientists staked out in gardens and vacant lots throughout the world with their clipboards. How else, I wonder, might such statistics be gathered? After all, even the cats' owners rarely know when their beloved kitty has successfully brought down garden prey. They aren't all deposited proudly on the front doorstep, after all.
Nobody seems to challenge Gore's antics and fantasies. He can make stuff up at will, and journalists go blubbery in their mute hero-worship. I think he is one of the truly "intelligent deranged" of our time.
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Here's the video:
http://www.tonightshowwithconanobrien.com/video/episodes/?vid=1175443#vi...
Pat
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